Inscrit le: 20 Oct 2005 Messages: 914 Localisation: The Netherlands
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Posté le: Jeu Jan 05, 2006 10:48 am Sujet du message:
Adrena1in a écrit:
Of course, it may just be that my new 250Hz isn't broken in yet. This new one certainly does feel smoother and lighter than the previous new one I had, and nicer than the one I got my dad. It even feels lighter than my old one, from the tests above, but I just couldn't spin it faster. It's almost as though it's too smooth, and that the rotor spends too much time slipping and never really "bites" into the track and speeds up. The old one, even at low revs, feels a bit rougher, but I can tell that the rotor's rolling from a much earlier stage, rather than slipping.
This triggers me, because this slipping feeling is exactly what I have noticed with various new powerballs. This is also the reason why I never manage high scores with brand new powerballs. Lately I opened another box with a new powerball inside. So far, my maximum score with that powerball is a lousy 12650rpm!!! I expect this to become better (less slipping thus higher speeds), but at least I am very sure that this kind of powerball behaviour was not present for the older models. What did these guys at NSD do in the new models?
The Force _________________ Personal records:
Speed:14332(L),14100(R)
30s:6134(L),6214(R),6016(L+R)
60s:10112(L),10257(R),11158(L+R)
90s:14158(L),14378(R),17711(L+R)
Speed Metal:12105***(L),11931(R)
30s Metal:4973(L),5026(R),4788(L+R)
90s Metal:14627(L+R)
***Done this month
Posté le: Jeu Jan 05, 2006 11:08 am Sujet du message:
The Force a écrit:
So far, my maximum score with [a brand new Powerball] is a lousy 12650rpm!!! What did these guys at NSD do in the new models?
Beats me! When I bought three newer models over a year ago, none of them felt slippery. I remember how they all felt like they were more "sticky" than my old one. They weren't producing more torque, but it felt like there was some resistance in the rotor, preventing it from going faster than my old one. I've never got my Dad's to over 12k, and I think my record with mine was about 13.1k.
After having had the new one for a while I tested the Neon, new 250Hz and old 250 Hz, and the results were much like my tests in this thread - the neon was on average about 200 revs slower than the new 250Hz, and the new 250Hz was around 200 revs slower than the old 250Hz. (I posted a thread on another forum with the results, but unfortunately that's gone now.) _________________ 250Hz: (L/R)
-> 13603/13785
<- 14026/14974
Dual - 26659
90 - 18705 - 16865/18013
60 - 12206 - 11089/12283
30 - 6383 - 6415/6796
Posté le: Jeu Jan 05, 2006 11:32 am Sujet du message:
Hi,
The Force a écrit:
Adrena1in a écrit:
The old one, even at low revs, feels a bit rougher, but I can tell that the rotor's rolling from a much earlier stage, rather than slipping.
This triggers me, because this slipping feeling is exactly what I have noticed with various new powerballs. This is also the reason why I never manage high scores with brand new powerballs.
I have noticed that too. When I use one of my shiny new balls, that I rarely use (I reserve them for future), I notice I can't achieve as much score as I do with my older ones.
But I think the problem is that the new powerball has not had enough use, and the torque is somewhat different at different ranges of speed. If your arm gets used to speed the same ball the same way, and then you take a different one, the torque is different and deceives your muscles
Maybe that happens to MJ... she is used to neon powerballs. If she tries a regular one now, maybe she doesn't feel comfortable with the torque, but progressively she would improve the score. Would she improve for the type of powerball or just because of training? we'll never know
Inscrit le: 20 Oct 2005 Messages: 914 Localisation: The Netherlands
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Posté le: Jeu Jan 05, 2006 11:41 am Sujet du message:
What I have also noticed is that my brains need the pitch of the screaming sound for properly steering my arms. Especially in very noisy environments or if someone next to me is also spinning the powerball I never manage good scores. I just don't manage to properly synchronise my hand with the rotor.
Did anyone else notice this too?
The Force _________________ Personal records:
Speed:14332(L),14100(R)
30s:6134(L),6214(R),6016(L+R)
60s:10112(L),10257(R),11158(L+R)
90s:14158(L),14378(R),17711(L+R)
Speed Metal:12105***(L),11931(R)
30s Metal:4973(L),5026(R),4788(L+R)
90s Metal:14627(L+R)
***Done this month
Posté le: Jeu Jan 05, 2006 11:45 am Sujet du message:
I like the sound of the ball screaming, and sometimes it helps my brain to trigger optimum muscle movements.
But I did an experiment on holidays, when I was training my left arm for speed: I used a MP3 player plugged into my ears, at real high volume, and I didn't noticed much difference :-)
Posté le: Jeu Jan 05, 2006 1:01 pm Sujet du message:
Well I'll tell you one thing for sure...the older 250Hz without the counter-weight does make a lot more noise. I'll make some sound recordings some time to show you, (though you'll hopefully both get to try my old one soon.)
I've never been powerballing alongside anyone else, and I don't find I use the noise to my advantage. Except to determine roughly how fast I'm going in endurance. At the moment I tend to spin the ball up several times and get used to the sound at 12k, then try to maintain that sound when doing a 60s or 90s. _________________ 250Hz: (L/R)
-> 13603/13785
<- 14026/14974
Dual - 26659
90 - 18705 - 16865/18013
60 - 12206 - 11089/12283
30 - 6383 - 6415/6796
Posté le: Ven Jan 06, 2006 4:30 pm Sujet du message:
Did another test earlier...old one with each hand, then the new one with each hand, and repeated that 8 times. Apart from one round, the old was still always quicker. Average of 3.52% quicker.
Getting hold of another old one tomorrow. _________________ 250Hz: (L/R)
-> 13603/13785
<- 14026/14974
Dual - 26659
90 - 18705 - 16865/18013
60 - 12206 - 11089/12283
30 - 6383 - 6415/6796
Posté le: Lun Jan 09, 2006 10:18 am Sujet du message:
Right, well I now have two old-style Powerballs. I bought one off a friend at the weekend. First impressions were that it felt light and slippery, like the new-style one I have. However, having not managed a 13k+ score at all this year, I had a go with this latest "old" one and managed 13150. However, I did then do 12962 with the "new" one, so perhaps this recent one isn't so great.
I need to do one more test...both the old ones versus the new one. I'll do something like ten rounds of each of them against each other, then I'll post off the fastest one to The Force, to find out what others make of it.
Inscrit le: 20 Oct 2005 Messages: 914 Localisation: The Netherlands
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Posté le: Lun Jan 09, 2006 11:44 am Sujet du message:
Well...I contacted mill-products.com (the importer of NSD) with your question about the old powerballs. This guy told me that there is always a difference between powerballs. Your 3% difference test did not impress him at all. He said that you very well might find new powerballs being 3% faster than the old ones.
So, please think twice before you wanna send an old powerball to me. Of course, I am very willing to test it, that's not the point.
Best regards,
The Force _________________ Personal records:
Speed:14332(L),14100(R)
30s:6134(L),6214(R),6016(L+R)
60s:10112(L),10257(R),11158(L+R)
90s:14158(L),14378(R),17711(L+R)
Speed Metal:12105***(L),11931(R)
30s Metal:4973(L),5026(R),4788(L+R)
90s Metal:14627(L+R)
***Done this month
Posté le: Lun Jan 09, 2006 12:43 pm Sujet du message:
Hi,
Adrena1in a écrit:
I need to do one more test...both the old ones versus the new one. I'll do something like ten rounds of each of them against each other, then I'll post off the fastest one to The Force, to find out what others make of it.
Do you do 10 runs with one ball, and then test another one? or you do a test with each ball and then start again with the first ball, and so on? I think this is better.
Posté le: Lun Jan 09, 2006 12:58 pm Sujet du message:
Pako a écrit:
Do you do 10 runs with one ball, and then test another one?
Oh blimey, no, that would be a totally unfair test.
No, what I've done before is test one with both hands, then the other with both hands, then the first again, and so on.
With three balls to test I'll do the first in my left, second in my right, third in my left, then first in my right, second in my left and third in my right. Then repeat that whole process over and over. This will give a good overall balanced scoring for each ball. _________________ 250Hz: (L/R)
-> 13603/13785
<- 14026/14974
Dual - 26659
90 - 18705 - 16865/18013
60 - 12206 - 11089/12283
30 - 6383 - 6415/6796
Posté le: Mar Jan 10, 2006 10:52 am Sujet du message:
Well, last night's test wasn't very conclusive, and actually threw up some surprises. Here's how it went...much better series of scores than the past two tests I've done, that's for sure.
Old Amber --- Old Blue --- New Amber ---
L = 12433 --- R = 12940 --- L = 12186
R = 13011 --- L = 12903 --- R = 12831
L = 13063 --- R = 13083 --- L = 12920
R = 12429 --- L = 13083 --- R = 13025
L = 13161 --- R = 12720 --- L = 12844
R = 13215 --- L = 13094 --- R = 13376
L = 13261 --- R = 13154 --- L = 12852
R = 13133 --- L = 13176 --- R = 13423
L = 13184 --- R = 13220 --- L = 12644
R = 13368 --- L = 13062 --- R = 13266
Averages;
-- 13025.8 ----- 13043.5 ----- 12936.7
Left Average = 12924.4
Right Average = 13079.6
Spread (% difference between lowest and highest scores);
--- 7.55% ------- 3.93% ------ 10.15%
So in this run, the old Amber is only 0.689% faster, and the old blue, (which is very old), is only 0.826% faster. But the old blue tended to be more consistent, (though this is probably just down to me.)
The weird thing is that the new one provided the two best scores, the best being 13423 - only 54 revs behind my right hand record. (This test was done straight from getting back from the office, with hardly any warm up...wish I'd had time to do some endurance first!) Plus for the first time in months, my right was on better speed form.
Anyway, the old ones were still, on average, a bit faster. I've brought the old Amber in with me today, (it's hardly used really, so quite new), and I'll post it off to The Force later today. He can then run a few similar tests then perhaps send it to Pako or Obiw4n, who can then send it to the other, who can then maybe send it back to me...how's that?
Don't expect to score records with it straight away, but just compare it to your speed balls to see if you get similar results to me.
Inscrit le: 20 Oct 2005 Messages: 914 Localisation: The Netherlands
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Posté le: Mar Jan 10, 2006 10:56 am Sujet du message:
Ermm....I do not have an Amber myself.
And it does not make sense to compare an Amber with a Pro I think, does it?
The Force
P.S. And what are the shipment costs from the UK to NL? And are these the same as from NL to any European country? _________________ Personal records:
Speed:14332(L),14100(R)
30s:6134(L),6214(R),6016(L+R)
60s:10112(L),10257(R),11158(L+R)
90s:14158(L),14378(R),17711(L+R)
Speed Metal:12105***(L),11931(R)
30s Metal:4973(L),5026(R),4788(L+R)
90s Metal:14627(L+R)
***Done this month
Posté le: Mar Jan 10, 2006 11:03 am Sujet du message:
The Force a écrit:
Ermm....I do not have an Amber myself.
And it does not make sense to compare an Amber with a Pro I think, does it?
No no, when I say Amber I just mean the colour of the casing, for ease of distinguishing one from the other...they're all 250Hz Pros, and the old ones don't have the counter-weights.
The Force a écrit:
P.S. And what are the shipment costs from the UK to NL? And are these the same as from NL to any European country?
I would say about £15 perhaps...maybe 20 Euros? I'll find out for sure. (I won't send it if you don't wish to participate?)
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Posté le: Mar Jan 10, 2006 11:19 am Sujet du message:
Adrena1in a écrit:
The Force a écrit:
Ermm....I do not have an Amber myself.
And it does not make sense to compare an Amber with a Pro I think, does it?
No no, when I say Amber I just mean the colour of the casing, for ease of distinguishing one from the other...they're all 250Hz Pros, and the old ones don't have the counter-weights.
The Force a écrit:
P.S. And what are the shipment costs from the UK to NL? And are these the same as from NL to any European country?
I would say about £15 perhaps...maybe 20 Euros? I'll find out for sure. (I won't send it if you don't wish to participate?)
Tim.
Woot ...15 Pounds is a lot. I wonder how Rory manages to earn money if it costs something like that.
Anyway, let's see. Shall I participate or not?.......
Well....maybe it's better that the first person to try is Pako.
That I don't say because of the money, but because he is the current best powerballer within Gyrotek. Pako, would you prefer to be the first in line for this experiment?
Best regards,
The Force _________________ Personal records:
Speed:14332(L),14100(R)
30s:6134(L),6214(R),6016(L+R)
60s:10112(L),10257(R),11158(L+R)
90s:14158(L),14378(R),17711(L+R)
Speed Metal:12105***(L),11931(R)
30s Metal:4973(L),5026(R),4788(L+R)
90s Metal:14627(L+R)
***Done this month
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...15 Pounds is a lot. I wonder how Rory manages to earn money if it costs something like that.
