Posté le: Mar Jan 10, 2006 11:27 am Sujet du message:
James M - you're on pretty good form at the moment, making a new speed record the other day...do you use a 250Hz Pro, and does it have the counter-weight on one side of the axle? If so, perhaps you'd like to try the older one I have as well, which tends to always be slightly faster. (Though you might surpass me...but I'm willing to risk that in the course of enlightenment.) _________________ 250Hz: (L/R)
-> 13603/13785
<- 14026/14974
Dual - 26659
90 - 18705 - 16865/18013
60 - 12206 - 11089/12283
30 - 6383 - 6415/6796
Posté le: Mar Jan 10, 2006 4:02 pm Sujet du message:
The Force a écrit:
Well....maybe it's better that the first person to try is Pako.
That I don't say because of the money, but because he is the current best powerballer within Gyrotek.
Depends how you qualify "best" of course...he's still a few revs behind Shazam for top speed...but not for long! _________________ 250Hz: (L/R)
-> 13603/13785
<- 14026/14974
Dual - 26659
90 - 18705 - 16865/18013
60 - 12206 - 11089/12283
30 - 6383 - 6415/6796
Posté le: Mar Jan 10, 2006 4:12 pm Sujet du message:
The Force a écrit:
Well....maybe it's better that the first person to try is Pako. That I don't say because of the money, but because he is the current best powerballer within Gyrotek. Pako, would you prefer to be the first in line for this experiment?
Money no problem for me neither. But I'm worried about 2 things:
- my right hand: it should be resting. In fact I want to avoid temptation until 30th, so a total of 3 weeks of complete rest (maybe some aluminium-rotor low-speed training). I could also try experiment with left hand, but those scores are lower and they have a wider variations than right hand scores.
- The ball: when I use a ball, I don't know how to stop... I hurt myself and I destroy balls. ;-)
The aim of this experiment is to determine if that old ball is faster than a new ball? Does it really matter which person spins the ball? We are assuming the counters measure the same way, right? It would also be nice to check their sound with the frequency analyzer.
Posté le: Mar Jan 10, 2006 4:56 pm Sujet du message:
Pako a écrit:
The aim of this experiment is to determine if that old ball is faster than a new ball? Does it really matter which person spins the ball?
No. As James M. is in the same country as me I'll see if he wants to give it a try.
I will record the sounds soon though. My old blue 250Hz is definitely the loudest...by a long way. _________________ 250Hz: (L/R)
-> 13603/13785
<- 14026/14974
Dual - 26659
90 - 18705 - 16865/18013
60 - 12206 - 11089/12283
30 - 6383 - 6415/6796
Posté le: Ven Jan 13, 2006 10:36 am Sujet du message:
If no-one's interested afterall then perhaps this thread should be removed. Though it might make people think twice when I tell them about last night...
I had a few goes on the Metal, then picked up the new 250Hz and was scoring very low - around 11.9 to 12.4k. Just couldn't go quicker. Picked up one of the old 250Hz and instantly did 13233! Over 1000 revs more than I was averaging with the new 250Hz.
So, last chance, who wants to give this old one of mine a try? James M? MJ? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? _________________ 250Hz: (L/R)
-> 13603/13785
<- 14026/14974
Dual - 26659
90 - 18705 - 16865/18013
60 - 12206 - 11089/12283
30 - 6383 - 6415/6796
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Posté le: Ven Jan 13, 2006 10:59 am Sujet du message:
Adrena1in a écrit:
If no-one's interested afterall then perhaps this thread should be removed. Though it might make people think twice when I tell them about last night...
I had a few goes on the Metal, then picked up the new 250Hz and was scoring very low - around 11.9 to 12.4k. Just couldn't go quicker. Picked up one of the old 250Hz and instantly did 13233! Over 1000 revs more than I was averaging with the new 250Hz.
So, last chance, who wants to give this old one of mine a try? James M? MJ? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
Like I said...I don't object in testing your old Pro's. I just have difficulty in believing that you can conclude from this experiement that all old Pro's are faster. The variation between powerballs is quite large in terms of max speed.
But, yes, I am very curious if I can easily manage 14k+ with those. If so, I would at least start to doubt whether the old pro's are faster .
Best regards,
The Force _________________ Personal records:
Speed:14332(L),14100(R)
30s:6134(L),6214(R),6016(L+R)
60s:10112(L),10257(R),11158(L+R)
90s:14158(L),14378(R),17711(L+R)
Speed Metal:12105***(L),11931(R)
30s Metal:4973(L),5026(R),4788(L+R)
90s Metal:14627(L+R)
***Done this month
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Posté le: Ven Jan 13, 2006 6:06 pm Sujet du message:
Adrena1in a écrit:
James M - you're on pretty good form at the moment, making a new speed record the other day...do you use a 250Hz Pro, and does it have the counter-weight on one side of the axle? If so, perhaps you'd like to try the older one I have as well, which tends to always be slightly faster. (Though you might surpass me...but I'm willing to risk that in the course of enlightenment.)
Sorry mate only just spotted this, I use the latest 250hz pro balls, not sure how they differ from the older ones tbh.
The only thing with using your pb is I would worry about breaking it or something. _________________ 250hz
RH 13655
LH 13074
90s 16108
30s 5784
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Posté le: Ven Jan 13, 2006 9:06 pm Sujet du message:
I have one of those powerballs, but I use it for endurance, because at speed I feel more comfortable with the Neon.
Adrena1in, how old is your powerball? Mine is just 3 months old. Rory sent me that ball the 13/October/2005.
Posté le: Lun Jan 16, 2006 12:42 pm Sujet du message:
I'm sure that with a little work on the 250Hz pro you could top 13k, MJ.
I've just looked back through my message logs, and the first Powerball I got was a Neon back in early October 2004. I thought I started in 2003. So I actually got to 12991 within 6 weeks, and not a year like I originally thought.
Anyway, the 250Hz Pro I got at the end of October 2004, and it was second hand then. _________________ 250Hz: (L/R)
-> 13603/13785
<- 14026/14974
Dual - 26659
90 - 18705 - 16865/18013
60 - 12206 - 11089/12283
30 - 6383 - 6415/6796
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Posté le: Sam Jan 21, 2006 5:16 am Sujet du message:
adrena1in,
since i also have an old powerball, i will post my 2 cents. Right now I seem to be able to do about the same with all 3 different powerballs (old pro, new pro, new neon). My old one still has the highest score overall, but i was also able to top 15k with the neon and about 14.8 with the new pro. but on an everyday basis i can achieve about the same score on each of them (although pretty low right now). So i would say there isnt that much difference between them. Although i would say that the older rotors are a lot more durable than the new ones because there is less exposed metal on the rotor of the old one. the old one only has about 1/4 inch on each side of exposed metal, while the new ones have about 1/4 on one side and about 1/2 inch on the other which leaves a lot of room to bend the rotor and put it out of balance. all i know is that my old one has been through hell (dropped, thrashed by newbies, and everyother kind of punishment i can think of) and it still spins. while the neon went out of balance and became unusable above 5k after about 3 weeks with only me using it and no abuse. I hope this answered some questions!
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Posté le: Sam Jan 21, 2006 2:29 pm Sujet du message:
mchap77 a écrit:
adrena1in,
since i also have an old powerball, i will post my 2 cents. Right now I seem to be able to do about the same with all 3 different powerballs (old pro, new pro, new neon). My old one still has the highest score overall, but i was also able to top 15k with the neon and about 14.8 with the new pro. but on an everyday basis i can achieve about the same score on each of them (although pretty low right now). So i would say there isnt that much difference between them. Although i would say that the older rotors are a lot more durable than the new ones because there is less exposed metal on the rotor of the old one. the old one only has about 1/4 inch on each side of exposed metal, while the new ones have about 1/4 on one side and about 1/2 inch on the other which leaves a lot of room to bend the rotor and put it out of balance. all i know is that my old one has been through hell (dropped, thrashed by newbies, and everyother kind of punishment i can think of) and it still spins. while the neon went out of balance and became unusable above 5k after about 3 weeks with only me using it and no abuse. I hope this answered some questions!
Mark
Hi Mark,
Your story actually confirms what I already thought, being that the old rotor has a much higher endurance because of the fact that the lengths of the free rotor axis are shorter, but also exactly the same left and right. Thanks a lot.
Best regards,
The Force _________________ Personal records:
Speed:14332(L),14100(R)
30s:6134(L),6214(R),6016(L+R)
60s:10112(L),10257(R),11158(L+R)
90s:14158(L),14378(R),17711(L+R)
Speed Metal:12105***(L),11931(R)
30s Metal:4973(L),5026(R),4788(L+R)
90s Metal:14627(L+R)
***Done this month
Posté le: Lun Jan 23, 2006 1:24 pm Sujet du message:
Cheers for that info. Mark. I think there might be something wrong with the new 250Hz Pro I've got, because I still get about 1000 to 2000 less with it than I do with my old one. I get to about 11k and then it feels like it's slipping backwards almost. As soon as I pick up the old one it's fine, so it's not like it's my technique or anything. The other old style one I've got, which I've had at work for a while, ready to post to anyone if they wanted to give it a go, was a lot smoother than my other old one, and did feel slippery, but never gave me as much grief as the new 250Hz does.
I guess I'll just put it down to being unlucky and having some slightly faulty Powerballs.
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Posté le: Lun Jan 23, 2006 2:12 pm Sujet du message:
Adrena1in a écrit:
Cheers for that info. Mark. I think there might be something wrong with the new 250Hz Pro I've got, because I still get about 1000 to 2000 less with it than I do with my old one. I get to about 11k and then it feels like it's slipping backwards almost. As soon as I pick up the old one it's fine, so it's not like it's my technique or anything. The other old style one I've got, which I've had at work for a while, ready to post to anyone if they wanted to give it a go, was a lot smoother than my other old one, and did feel slippery, but never gave me as much grief as the new 250Hz does.
I guess I'll just put it down to being unlucky and having some slightly faulty Powerballs.
Experiment over.
Well...having helt many new Pro's in my hand recently, I am affraid that your situation is not the exception. These guys at nanosecond must have changed something in the powerball such that it slips much more than before. I am thinking of roughening (with sand paper) the surface of the inner track of all new powerballs I have and see if that solves the problem.
Regards,
The Force _________________ Personal records:
Speed:14332(L),14100(R)
30s:6134(L),6214(R),6016(L+R)
60s:10112(L),10257(R),11158(L+R)
90s:14158(L),14378(R),17711(L+R)
Speed Metal:12105***(L),11931(R)
30s Metal:4973(L),5026(R),4788(L+R)
90s Metal:14627(L+R)
***Done this month
Posté le: Lun Jan 23, 2006 3:59 pm Sujet du message:
The slipping is one thing, but with the new 250Hz it actually slows down the faster I move my hand. It's like my hand-speed overtakes the Powerball-speed, and then it'll knock and change direction briefly. But it doesn't happen with the old 250Hz, so I know it's not me. _________________ 250Hz: (L/R)
-> 13603/13785
<- 14026/14974
Dual - 26659
90 - 18705 - 16865/18013
60 - 12206 - 11089/12283
30 - 6383 - 6415/6796
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