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MessagePosté le: Jeu Déc 29, 2005 1:23 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Adrenalin is right, Pako. Always make sure the rotor is below 6000rpm before loosening grip.

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MessagePosté le: Mar Jan 03, 2006 2:57 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Proved again the other day that the Edouard Technique really does allow me to achieve higher scores. I don't like it, but I gave it another try with the Metal. I was managing about 13.1k 90s with a normal grip, then with the Ed-Tech I did 14.1k. The Metal really does keep spinning nicely with a loose grip...a 250Hz slows much more quickly.
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MessagePosté le: Sam Avr 15, 2006 11:54 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

I wanna know your opinion about my technique for endurance on Metal Powerball, the results are obviously different Laughing but do you agree or not with using this tech for strength on the metal? Question
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MessagePosté le: Dim Avr 16, 2006 6:13 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Edouard a écrit:
...but do you agree or not with using this tech for strength on the metal? Question
For me it's not about agreeing or disagreeing with the technique. I don't use it because;

a) I don't think it's very good for the Powerball, and
b) I don't feel it's a true indication of "Strength".

That's not to say it's wrong to use the technique. The PB.com scoreboards allow it, so it's definitely valid.
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MessagePosté le: Dim Avr 16, 2006 11:05 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Amen Smile

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MessagePosté le: Dim Avr 16, 2006 11:37 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Well Smile Dont think its not good for the metal, but indeed u're right, it's not a real strength attempt Confused
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MessagePosté le: Lun Avr 17, 2006 10:58 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

On the scoreboards you will see different colors for Edouard's tech, and normal, but the "normal" way has still to be defined...
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MessagePosté le: Lun Avr 17, 2006 1:05 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Obiw4n a écrit:
...the "normal" way has still to be defined...
"Normal" I would personally define as a constant, firm grip...100% through the run. Not even allowing the Powerball to run freely for even a second on the changeovers.
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MessagePosté le: Lun Avr 17, 2006 1:27 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Adrena1in a écrit:
Obiw4n a écrit:
...the "normal" way has still to be defined...
"Normal" I would personally define as a constant, firm grip...100% through the run. Not even allowing the Powerball to run freely for even a second on the changeovers.


Yeah I would agree on this...but what about people who have to flip their powerball over when they switch hands?

logical answer : they will have to learn to hold the powerball another way Very Happy
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MessagePosté le: Lun Avr 17, 2006 1:35 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Obiw4n a écrit:
Adrena1in a écrit:
Obiw4n a écrit:
...the "normal" way has still to be defined...
"Normal" I would personally define as a constant, firm grip...100% through the run. Not even allowing the Powerball to run freely for even a second on the changeovers.


Yeah I would agree on this...but what about people who have to flip their powerball over when they switch hands?

logical answer : they will have to learn to hold the powerball another way Very Happy
Perhaps you could allow up to 2-seconds for an "Edouard" changeover, and no more than 5 changeovers...?
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90 - 18705 - 16865/18013
60 - 12206 - 11089/12283
30 - 6383 - 6415/6796

350Hz:
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90 - 15799 - 13873/15407
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MessagePosté le: Mer Avr 18, 2007 9:07 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

I begin to be tired of people saying ED tech is a lame Technique, it's the Evil side of endurance etc...

To those people: have you ever tried to achieve a real Ed tech record?

Are you angry because you just can't use this technique? Or what?

Because after a year of using it, I can tell it doesn't harm my powerballs... at least less than full endurance sessions.

- Most of my Ed tech powerballs where also my speed record powerballs.

- If you use ED tech properly, you will be as much exhausted as with gripping tech.

So why not consider it like a technique, and compare ED tech with ED tech scores , and gripping with gripping scores ??



Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad

It's up to you to choose a technique, but really, try both and don't think ED tech is the Evil side of Powerball just because you heard some people saying that... Shocked
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MessagePosté le: Mer Avr 18, 2007 12:18 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

I would consider myself as a person who doesn't really like the technique, but I do agree with what Obi says. If you do it properly it doesn't cause undue harm to the Powerball. I also do get just as tired doing an Ed Tech run as a Gripper run. I also think there's a lot of skill involved, going from a loose grip to a tight grip without loosing too many revs.

My only "issue" is that, in my opinion, (and as I have recently proved), it does allow for higher scores.

But hey, there are no prizes, there are no rewards, just a bit of fame. I'm just as happy and excited to see Jarkko hitting 19k with Ed Tech as I would be to see a Gripper hitting a landmark score. I just keep it in my mind that ETs get 500 to 1000 revs more, that's all.
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<- 14026/14974
Dual - 26659
90 - 18705 - 16865/18013
60 - 12206 - 11089/12283
30 - 6383 - 6415/6796

350Hz:
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<- 12238/13053
90 - 15799 - 13873/15407
60 - 10597 - 10546/10649
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MessagePosté le: Mer Avr 18, 2007 12:58 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

I totally agree with Obi, thanks for this post dude Very Happy
I've always said it doesnt harm the powerball... As far as i'm concerned, i've been powerballing for 2years with only 3powerballs Wink
I can understand that some people don't like my tech, but to me a majority of them are just frustrated or jealous (have a look on Roll's post on Jarkko's topic -___-)

Happy spinning
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350Hz: 12710 (R) 11921 (L)
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350Hz 90s: 15824 (L+R ed tech)
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MessagePosté le: Mer Avr 18, 2007 6:03 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Cool topic going here that I hadnt seen before. I of course totally agree with you Obiw4n, you have great points.
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MessagePosté le: Mer Avr 18, 2007 7:02 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Ed Tech is really a large and discussed subject, people don't agree on some points etc...

But what is important is just to keep in mind the differences between the 2 techniques:

Compare Ed tech scores with ed tech scores and not really with gripper scores, as you do with Metal and plastic. After that you can always have a sort of comparison between people when you check the gap between their ED tech records and gripper records.

At first when I began in ED tech, I couldn't qualify the technique as bad or good ( I mean for the powerball's health) , it seemed bad because it's written somewhere on a paper " never loose your grip on the powerball" but that's all...

But today, I can't really say it's worse than usual 90s.... it could even be less harming for our lovely powerballs than pure 90s...

Nevertheless, I would encourage people to train for Ed tech on old powerballs first. That's because you need to improve you skills from tight grip to loosing it and improving on transitions.... It's like when you started powerball ( at first the rotor is really shaken from every side ->> and that is bad for your powerball's health)

The real problem is: It's hard to handle scoreboards in 90s. Creating 2 scoreboards would be too much, so we chose here to notify the technique used by putting 2 different colours...

Each member chooses what record he wants up on the boards but is still encouraged to show his other technique scores....

And Finally, unlike Pb.com forum, this thread should stay opened to any constructive discussions which could help improving the scoreboards, or help people to understand eachothers opinions Smile
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