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MessagePosté le: Jeu Oct 06, 2005 5:46 pm    Sujet du message: Technique - and which hand? Répondre en citant

Watching the various videos it's interesting to see the different techniques. For a start, Akis holds the Powerball with the counter sort of sticking out from the "circle" that his thumb and forefinger creates, and his little finger over the wheel.

I hold the Powerball with the counter pressed into my palm, slightly off-centre and away from my thumb. With my right hand, I rotate my wrist clockwise, but a chap I know rotates his right hand anti-clockwise...he's managed nearly 13,800 and was on the Powerballs.com Top 100 for a while.

Finally, although I'm right handed, my 13,241 record is with my left hand. 13,191 is my right hand record.

What're your techniques and grips and best scores with both hands?
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MessagePosté le: Jeu Oct 06, 2005 5:56 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

For me it's quite the same, I hold it pressed into my palm, trying to hold it strongly with my thumb, I rotate my wrist anti-clockwise with my right hand and clockwise with my left hand.
But with my left hand I hold it on the other side, and it allows me to switch my hands without changing the rotation direction of the rotor.
Right hand 13696 left hand not far from 12500. Very Happy

Very good to exceed 13K with both hands, it seems to be the same gift as Akis!! Very Happy Ch4mPiOn InSiDe !!
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MessagePosté le: Jeu Oct 06, 2005 6:24 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

As I rotated a lot of PB in my both hands I noticed that the balls have a "favourite" rotation way and some are easier to spin the normal way (I mean counter in the palm) and others upside down (rotor facing the palm).
(I think I'm gona work the Akis way of holding the ball but i can figure out exactly how he does it.)

But in both cases I'm better rotating it clockwise for right hand (and anti for left hand).

My left hand best score is 12500+ (but I think I never passed 13k barrier), and my right hand is 14533.
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MessagePosté le: Jeu Oct 06, 2005 7:06 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

I hold it with the counter in my palm and my thumb almost touching the rotor, I find it much easier turning it anticlockwise.

13306 with my right and 12526 with my left.
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MessagePosté le: Ven Oct 07, 2005 9:25 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Obiw4n a écrit:
But with my left hand I hold it on the other side, and it allows me to switch my hands without changing the rotation direction of the rotor.
Oh yeah, when I'm doing 90s scores I have the counter in my palm for one hand, and the rotor facing my palm with the other hand, to allow for quick changes and keeping the direction of rotation the same. But I find a good grip is much easier with the counter into my palm, for doing high speed runs.

And I think it's because I've done a lot of endurance, with both hands, which is what makes my top speeds with each hand very similar. But my endurance is better with my right hand, so I always start a 90s run with that hand.
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MessagePosté le: Ven Oct 07, 2005 10:30 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

I begin a 90s with my weakest hand (left) 20s then 30 to 40s right hand and then swithching depending on the tireness of my hands.
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MessagePosté le: Lun Oct 17, 2005 5:44 am    Sujet du message: Small hand Grip Répondre en citant

Since I have a small hand, I grip the PB almost like a baseball grip. My index , middle and ring fingers are on the counter, the small finger on the side, and my thumb on the bottom part of the PW on the on the edge of the circle. Just part of my palm is on the side of the ball, the rest does not touch the ball.

On the Techno model, a bit more of my palm touches the top of PB.
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MessagePosté le: Ven Oct 21, 2005 1:07 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

In both hands the counter is pressed in the palm of my hands, thumb one one side, the other fingers distributed around the powerball (but I can also hold it exactly in the opposite way, which is advantageous for the 90sec duration).

Left hand: anti-clock wise
Right hand: clock wise

I have been experimenting with the position of the Powerball, but in the end this traditional approach seems to work out the best for me.

Shazam....your 14533 sounds very familiar to me from the top100 ranking..what is your name on that scoreboard?

Regards,

Steven van Dijk
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Speed:14332(L),14100(R)
30s:6134(L),6214(R),6016(L+R)
60s:10112(L),10257(R),11158(L+R)
90s:14158(L),14378(R),17711(L+R)
Speed Metal:12105***(L),11931(R)
30s Metal:4973(L),5026(R),4788(L+R)
90s Metal:14627(L+R)
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MessagePosté le: Ven Oct 21, 2005 3:24 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

I hold it the exact same way as you Steven. Same rotation as well
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MessagePosté le: Ven Oct 21, 2005 3:35 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Still I have seen on your video that your arm technique is quite different than mine. If I have seen it correctly, you combine two movements.

- Swinging forearm from left to right (pivot point your elbow)
- Rotating your wrist from left to right (pivot point your wrist)

Is that correct?

Regards,

Steven
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Speed:14332(L),14100(R)
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60s:10112(L),10257(R),11158(L+R)
90s:14158(L),14378(R),17711(L+R)
Speed Metal:12105***(L),11931(R)
30s Metal:4973(L),5026(R),4788(L+R)
90s Metal:14627(L+R)
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MessagePosté le: Ven Oct 21, 2005 3:55 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Steven van Dijk a écrit:
Shazam....your 14533 sounds very familiar to me from the top100 ranking..what is your name on that scoreboard?


My real name is Mathieu TAUZIN ranked #11 (best #9 with the same score).

What is your nickName on CS 1.6 ? I play a lot ;-), mainly on french servers but sometimes on benelux servers.
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MessagePosté le: Ven Oct 21, 2005 4:41 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Shazam a écrit:
Steven van Dijk a écrit:
Shazam....your 14533 sounds very familiar to me from the top100 ranking..what is your name on that scoreboard?


My real name is Mathieu TAUZIN ranked #11 (best #9 with the same score).

What is your nickName on CS 1.6 ? I play a lot ;-), mainly on french servers but sometimes on benelux servers.


What do you mean with best 9 with same score?
I hope to be able to enter the top10 also very soon. It's about time...these 6 months of practise ought to have their effect now, don't you think? Wink

I always play on our own servers. I work for Philips and Philips has its own Counter-strike game servers. The clan I belong to is called Team4Fun and most members are, obviously, Philips employees.

Please visit our site at the following URL's:

www.t4f.nl
www.team4fun.nl
t4f.ehv.campus.philips.com

There you will not only find the IPs of our servers (6 in total), but also a nice forum, in which you will notice that I have been trying to make other people as enthousiastic about the Powerball as myself Razz. I did not really succeed unfortunately.

Best regards,

Steven van Dijk
P.S. My nickname is "[T4F] Demolition Man"
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Speed:14332(L),14100(R)
30s:6134(L),6214(R),6016(L+R)
60s:10112(L),10257(R),11158(L+R)
90s:14158(L),14378(R),17711(L+R)
Speed Metal:12105***(L),11931(R)
30s Metal:4973(L),5026(R),4788(L+R)
90s Metal:14627(L+R)
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MessagePosté le: Ven Oct 21, 2005 4:48 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Well im not entirely sure how to describe my technique, i think i am rotating everything. The easiest way to explain it is, basically i use the normal wrist technique, rotation clockwise. But i also use the rest of my arm, the best way to describe it is if you were to lock you wrist and just rotate you forearm which i also rotate clockwise. I then combine these 2 techniques to get the ball going really fast.

Your description is pretty accurate, but i think my shoulder is another pivot point, because it feels the burn, but I dont know how to describe it.
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MessagePosté le: Ven Oct 21, 2005 9:28 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

mchap77 a écrit:
Well im not entirely sure how to describe my technique, i think i am rotating everything. The easiest way to explain it is, basically i use the normal wrist technique, rotation clockwise. But i also use the rest of my arm, the best way to describe it is if you were to lock you wrist and just rotate you forearm which i also rotate clockwise. I then combine these 2 techniques to get the ball going really fast.

Your description is pretty accurate, but i think my shoulder is another pivot point, because it feels the burn, but I dont know how to describe it.


Haha...it is my job to describe things accurately, mate. However, your video is going so fast that I would have guessed already that I missed some details of your technique ;-) .

But you are absolutely right, we should not forget the shoulder part in using the Powerball. Of crucial importance to have lot of strength there too.

Good spinning to all of you.

Steven
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Speed:14332(L),14100(R)
30s:6134(L),6214(R),6016(L+R)
60s:10112(L),10257(R),11158(L+R)
90s:14158(L),14378(R),17711(L+R)
Speed Metal:12105***(L),11931(R)
30s Metal:4973(L),5026(R),4788(L+R)
90s Metal:14627(L+R)
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MessagePosté le: Sam Oct 22, 2005 1:07 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Steven van Dijk a écrit:
What do you mean with best 9 with same score?


I mean I was #9 when I did the score in july, I'm #11 since Chris Pegg and Mark Chaplin passed 14533
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